{"id":13876,"date":"2023-01-12T16:29:43","date_gmt":"2023-01-12T10:59:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/?p=13876"},"modified":"2023-01-12T16:29:43","modified_gmt":"2023-01-12T10:59:43","slug":"episode-53-paul-shapiro-on-growing-meat-without-animals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/01\/12\/episode-53-paul-shapiro-on-growing-meat-without-animals\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 53: Paul Shapiro on Growing Meat Without Animals"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"iframe-class\" src=\"https:\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/25584690\/height\/90\/width\/640\/theme\/custom\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/ff1018\/\" width=\"100%\" height=\"90\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"yes\"><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">\ufeff<\/span><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; 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It&#8217;s a matter of time. In the meantime, there are alternatives, like fermentation, to produce all kinds of new substitutes that could be better than meat in terms of nutrition and taste. Paul Shapiro joins <span class=\"il\">Vasant<\/span>\u00a0Dhar in episode 53 of Brave New World to discuss how meat alternatives are the future &#8212; and liberating for animals and the environment.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div>\n<div><b>Useful resources<\/b>:<br \/>\n1. Paul Shapiro on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/paul-shapiro-6a9aa282\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/paul-shapiro-6a9aa282&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2RaA_amqn1hErkUhamUG_i\">LinkedIn<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PaulHShapiro\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/twitter.com\/PaulHShapiro&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2vQXzEEIlryfZuUnqBVvrx\">Twitter<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Paul_Shapiro_(author)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Paul_Shapiro_(author)&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3BQmbn3mEudu7MHpFz9BuG\">Wikipedia<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.paul-shapiro.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.paul-shapiro.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0yFIzDXBzRFgZO5BmNr-Sl\">his own website<\/a>.<br \/>\n2.\u00a0<i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Clean-Meat-Growing-Without-Revolutionize-ebook\/dp\/B074ZW6PBG\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=JQYQS35Y5Q76&amp;keywords=paul+shapiro&amp;qid=1673454205&amp;qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjI0IiwicXNhIjoiMS43OSIsInFzcCI6IjEuMDAifQ%3D%3D&amp;sprefix=paul+shapiro%2Caps%2C309&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Clean-Meat-Growing-Without-Revolutionize-ebook\/dp\/B074ZW6PBG\/ref%3Dsr_1_1?crid%3DJQYQS35Y5Q76%26keywords%3Dpaul%2Bshapiro%26qid%3D1673454205%26qu%3DeyJxc2MiOiIyLjI0IiwicXNhIjoiMS43OSIsInFzcCI6IjEuMDAifQ%253D%253D%26sprefix%3Dpaul%2Bshapiro%252Caps%252C309%26sr%3D8-1&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1SKzCmpdcUc0IkkeLjZ4BT\">Clean Meat: How Growing Meat Without Animals Will Revolutionize Dinner and the World<\/a><\/i>\u00a0&#8212; Paul Shapiro.<br \/>\n3.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/cleanmeat.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/cleanmeat.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1F3M-erHe_ix5ve25izRuW\">The Clean Meat website<\/a>.<\/div>\n<div>4.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bettermeat.co\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.bettermeat.co\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1e2LgBXrpe1Xx7js3g_gFd\">The Better Meat Co<\/a>.<br \/>\n5.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/ideas\/archive\/2022\/01\/old-music-killing-new-music\/621339\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/ideas\/archive\/2022\/01\/old-music-killing-new-music\/621339\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0eDEGMcbuvGRon_1W6T0Cf\">Is Old Music Killing New Music?<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 Ted Gioia.<br \/>\n6.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2022\/08\/04\/episode-44-maneka-gandhi-on-animal-rights\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2022\/08\/04\/episode-44-maneka-gandhi-on-animal-rights\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2GMASLYg-8Xqxf3A5VBeyG\">Maneka Gandhi on Animal Rights<\/a>\u00a0&#8212; Episode 44 of Brave New World.<br \/>\n7.\u00a0<i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Animal-Liberation-Definitive-Classic-Movement-ebook\/dp\/B00TZE2Q0O\/ref=sr_1_2?crid=5J3JVUEDWLWI&amp;keywords=peter+singer&amp;qid=1659540900&amp;sprefix=peter+singe%2Caps%2C269&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Animal-Liberation-Definitive-Classic-Movement-ebook\/dp\/B00TZE2Q0O\/ref%3Dsr_1_2?crid%3D5J3JVUEDWLWI%26keywords%3Dpeter%2Bsinger%26qid%3D1659540900%26sprefix%3Dpeter%2Bsinge%252Caps%252C269%26sr%3D8-2&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2iTsxC_81ScdWd17KoD6Yz\">Animal Liberation<\/a><\/i>\u00a0\u2014 Peter Singer.<br \/>\n8.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/p\/animal-farming-and-protein\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/p\/animal-farming-and-protein&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw10Qk4GznHF8Sxuw2VP5Hp4\">Animal Farming and Protein<\/a>\u00a0\u2014\u00a0<span class=\"il\">Vasant<\/span>\u00a0Dhar.<br \/>\n9.\u00a0<i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.netflix.com\/watch\/81045007?source=35\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.netflix.com\/watch\/81045007?source%3D35&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3djsEMqAQopxR1tEbeHYLm\">My Octopus Teacher<\/a><\/i>\u00a0&#8212;\u00a0Pippa Ehrlich and James Reed.<br \/>\n10.\u00a0<i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Innovators-Dilemma-Technologies-Management-Innovation-ebook\/dp\/B012BLTM6I\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=clayton+christensen&amp;qid=1646233821&amp;sprefix=clayton+%2Caps%2C306&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Innovators-Dilemma-Technologies-Management-Innovation-ebook\/dp\/B012BLTM6I\/ref%3Dsr_1_2?keywords%3Dclayton%2Bchristensen%26qid%3D1646233821%26sprefix%3Dclayton%2B%252Caps%252C306%26sr%3D8-2&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1673606429555000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3A6jIDP1BW4-M2aOE0Uc7I\">The Innovator\u2019s Dilemma<\/a><\/i>\u00a0\u2014 Clayton M Christensen.<\/p>\n<p>Check out\u00a0<b><a href=\"https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1672335393376000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0D-UqiBnGK6zmMM_CySH6u\">Vasant Dhar\u2019s newsletter<\/a><\/b>\u00a0on Substack. Subscription is free!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"shariff\" data-twitter-via=\"vasantdhar\" data-title=\"Episode 53: Paul Shapiro on Growing Meat Without Animals\" data-info-url=\"http:\/\/ct.de\/-2467514\" data-backend-url=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/wp-content\/plugins\/shariff-sharing\/backend\/index.php\" data-temp=\"\/tmp\" data-ttl=\"60\" data-service=\"tl\" data-services='[\"facebook\",\"twitter\",\"linkedin\",\"whatsapp\"]' data-image=\"\" data-url=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/01\/12\/episode-53-paul-shapiro-on-growing-meat-without-animals\/\" data-lang=\"en\" data-theme=\"grey\" data-orientation=\"horizontal\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff In principle, you can take a single cell from an animal and feed an entire village. It&#8217;s a matter of time. In the meantime, there are alternatives, like fermentation, to produce all kinds of new substitutes that could be better than meat in terms of nutrition and taste. 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