{"id":15727,"date":"2023-09-07T15:26:23","date_gmt":"2023-09-07T09:56:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/?p=15727"},"modified":"2023-09-07T15:26:23","modified_gmt":"2023-09-07T09:56:23","slug":"episode-67-ellie-pavlick-on-the-cutting-edge-of-ai","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/09\/07\/episode-67-ellie-pavlick-on-the-cutting-edge-of-ai\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 67: Ellie Pavlick on the Cutting Edge of AI"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"iframe-class\" src=\"https:\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/27967230\/height\/90\/width\/640\/theme\/custom\/autonext\/no\/thumbnail\/yes\/autoplay\/no\/preload\/no\/no_addthis\/no\/direction\/backward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/ff1018\/\" width=\"100%\" height=\"90\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"yes\"><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; width: 0px; overflow: hidden; line-height: 0;\" class=\"mce_SELRES_start\">\ufeff<\/span><span data-mce-type=\"bookmark\" style=\"display: inline-block; 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Or is it faking it? Hell, do\u00a0<i>we<\/i>\u00a0understand how it works? Ellie Pavlick joins\u00a0Vasant\u00a0Dhar in episode 67 of Brave New World to share her thoughts on where AI has reached &#8212; and where it&#8217;s going.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div><b>Useful resources<\/b>:<br \/>\n1. Ellie Pavlick at\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/cs.brown.edu\/people\/epavlick\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/cs.brown.edu\/people\/epavlick\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3tpAMSoBw0BsHT_1Manuvv\">Brown<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=sFyrSa8AAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user%3DsFyrSa8AAAAJ%26hl%3Den&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0Bd7_GIYXEmCDn8OpDqVr_\">Google Scholar<\/a>.<br \/>\n2.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/royalsocietypublishing.org\/doi\/10.1098\/rsta.2022.0041\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/royalsocietypublishing.org\/doi\/10.1098\/rsta.2022.0041&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw372ELqN_RtzSVrQOOJ_jzM\">Symbols and grounding in large language models<\/a>\u00a0&#8212; Ellie Pavlick.<br \/>\n3.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/03\/23\/episode-58-sam-bowman-on-chatgpt-controlling-ai\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/03\/23\/episode-58-sam-bowman-on-chatgpt-controlling-ai\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw16VqCXtBo8LzLlhIcDdMUF\">Sam Bowman on ChatGPT &amp; Controlling AI<\/a>\u00a0&#8212; Episode 58 of Brave New World.<br \/>\n4.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2021\/03\/04\/episode-7-the-nature-of-intelligence\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2021\/03\/04\/episode-7-the-nature-of-intelligence\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3NRvcoqQXIA4f5CFQSyuTK\">The Nature of Intelligence<\/a>\u00a0\u2014 Episode 7 of Brave New World (w Yann le Cunn).<br \/>\n5.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/web.media.mit.edu\/~minsky\/papers\/MusicMindMeaning.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/web.media.mit.edu\/~minsky\/papers\/MusicMindMeaning.html&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0dWgX0r5sbqFZX2U08bZ8-\">Music, Mind, and Meaning<\/a> &#8212; Marvin Minsky.<br \/>\n6.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/2206.07682\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/2206.07682&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0laIOZJdAV5fsRreBTz9Ug\">Emergent Abilities of Large Language Models<\/a>\u00a0&#8212;\u00a0Jason Wei et al.<br \/>\n7.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/huggingface.co\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/huggingface.co\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw10PNorFuPl__OM5Ku_gyWt\">Hugging Face<\/a>.<br \/>\n8.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.eleuther.ai\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.eleuther.ai\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0LW_6LzrVeP2tpPCtdFVqz\">EleutherAI<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Check out\u00a0<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/vasantdhar.substack.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1694166722088000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0MAp4LBJHMzpVBp9pl_njh\">Vasant Dhar\u2019s newsletter<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0on Substack. Subscription is free!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"shariff\" data-twitter-via=\"vasantdhar\" data-title=\"Episode 67: Ellie Pavlick on the Cutting Edge of AI\" data-info-url=\"http:\/\/ct.de\/-2467514\" data-backend-url=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/wp-content\/plugins\/shariff-sharing\/backend\/index.php\" data-temp=\"\/tmp\" data-ttl=\"60\" data-service=\"tl\" data-services='[\"facebook\",\"twitter\",\"linkedin\",\"whatsapp\"]' data-image=\"\" data-url=\"https:\/\/bravenewpodcast.com\/episodes\/2023\/09\/07\/episode-67-ellie-pavlick-on-the-cutting-edge-of-ai\/\" data-lang=\"en\" data-theme=\"grey\" data-orientation=\"horizontal\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff\ufeff Does ChatGPT really understand anything? Or is it faking it? Hell, do\u00a0we\u00a0understand how it works? 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